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rosa_acicularis ([personal profile] rosa_acicularis) wrote2008-01-30 02:31 am

A Commentary for Good Night, Part Four

A rush of current and he is nightmare blind, falling, drowning in air and the dark. His fingers scrabble for purchase on tattered wallpaper as he hurtles downward through hollow corridors, past doors and rooms forgotten. Then his knees hit wooden floorboards, his palms slap against the wall, and everything stops. For a moment, it is so silent. So still. He does not breathe.

 

“I can’t see,” he murmurs, though there is no one to hear. “Why can’t I—”

 

The first scream he doesn’t even recognise as a human voice. It’s just noise – shattering, desperate. The second moves him to his feet and he stumbles down the corridor in the dark (in his blindness), reaching for light, for doorframes, for the next person he needs to save. The third and he knows he is too late – he’s well enough acquainted with life to recognise the sound of its passing.

 

But he is wrong. The scream turns to sobs, the sobs to words, and he stops, his ear pressed to the wall. He listens.

 

*And here we have the Three Roses. Now we’re dealing directly with the fallout from Do I Twist, Do I Fold. Three Roses, three ways this encounter may have unfolded. The Master claimed he “violated” her – this is rather deliberately vague. And possibly untrue. The Doctor only knows that she came back to him, without any memory of what happened, and suffered a violent, unexplained physical reaction.

 

So his mind, now forced to deal with the possibilities, goes to the darkest places he can imagine.

 

“I’ll kill you,” she says, wracked with pain, and he hears the blood thick in her throat. “I’ll fucking kill you and after you die and come back I’ll fucking kill you again.” She chuckles darkly, weakly. “Unless you come back really ugly. Then I’ll take pictures and laugh.”

 

Rose screams again, high and raw, and he hears it in his bones and his skin and he fumbles futilely for the doorknob, cursing the darkness because it is happening again and again he cannot see—

 

*He was less than a block away when whatever happened, happened. Tinkering in the TARDIS, while Rose was…what? Raped? Tortured? Forced to listen to Il Divo records? He couldn’t see what was happening then, and now the corridor is dark. He couldn’t reach her then, and now the doors are locked.

 

“Please,” she says, weeping, “please don’t. I’ll give you, I’ll tell you anything, anything you want, just let me go. Please let me go.” Her voice is small, distant, and he follows it down the corridor to another door, another room. Another Rose. He throws himself against the wood, but the door will not yield. “I can help you,” this new Rose continues, begging, and he has never heard her like this. “The Doctor – he trusts me. Cares about me. I can hurt him. That’s what you want, isn’t it? Him, not me.” She sobs, undone. “Please.”

 

*It killed me to write that part. It really, really did.

 

The doorknob rattles in his hands as he tries to force his way into the room, the sonic screwdriver dark and useless. He feels himself shaking, feels his stomach clench, acid and revulsion and horror (once upon a time, there was a girl—)

 

*The beginning of the Master’s version of Little Red Riding Hood from Do I Twist, Do I Fold.

 

surging in the back of his throat like vomit (I forgive you, he’d said, and meant it), and still the door will not open.

 

He hears her cry out, a thin wail from a distant room. He runs blindly, sliding over smooth wooden floors, until he reaches her voice – another door, another lock. She gives a wordless cry and he listens, ear to the door, as she strains for breath, air leaving her lungs in rhythmic grunts as if she is being struck again and again.

 

“Oh god,” the Rose behind this door moans, her voice breaking. “Oh god, oh god, oh yes—”

 

*Oh, this is so fucked up. The idea that she might have had sex with the Master and enjoyed it and that to Doctor this is a betrayal beyond offering to harm him to save herself – it’s a very ugly thing to suggest. But once I wrote it I couldn’t make myself unwrite it, so here it stays.

 

The Doctor reels back, staggering into the wall behind him. “No,” he says, his voice a whisper. Then, fiercely: “Enough.”

 

There is silence.

 

*The ghosts were of his creation – he had the power to stop them all along.

 

Light spills across the floor and he finds himself at the foot of a long staircase. It leads to an open door, to sunlight.

 

He climbs the stairs and steps out into open sky, onto the widow’s walk perched on the roof of the house, the pale blue paint of its floorboards and railings corroded by years of ocean air. Rose stands with her back to him, feet bare and hair tangled, looking out to sea.

 

“Once upon a time,” she says, “there were two boys. They were friends, the way boys often are, and though they were very different, they were very much the same. When they became men, they left their homes and their families, striking out – one to the east, the other to the west – to find their fortunes. Both traveled far, and both saw wondrous, horrible things. Both did wondrous, horrible things.” She pauses, the wind in her hair. “They were not friends any longer.”

 

*The Doctor and the Master, fairy tale style.

My interpretation of the Doctor and the Master’s relationship is hugely influenced by [personal profile] orange_crushed 's truly exceptional fic Young Lions. I have adopted it as my personal canon, and I call it Steve.

 

He stands behind her, his hands in his pockets. Not touching her. “Rose.”

 

She laughs a little, tucking her hair behind her ear, and does not look at him. “You know, I love you a lot, but you’re sort of stupid.”

 

He looks at the floor and smiles. “Can’t really argue with that.”

 

“A rare moment of humility. It’s almost disturbing.” She turns away from the sea and brushes her fingers over his lapel, her eyes on his. They are wide and impossibly old. He looks to her mouth (to her lips) and there is steel in her smile. “I have a riddle for you.”

 

*When is a bottle not a bottle, an egg not an egg, and a girl not a girl?

 

“That’s a surprise.” He leans into her hand. “It’s not the one with all those sacks and cats, is it? ‘Cause that always was a bit beyond me.”

 

*This is the only riddle I ever try to tell, and everyone has always heard it before:


As I was going to St. Ives, I met a man with seven wives. Each wife had seven sacks, each sack had seven cats. Each cat had seven kits. Kits, cats, sacks, wives, how many were going to St. Ives?

 

She skims her fingernails over the knot of his tie, yellow varnish against blue silk.

 

*Nail varnish is Very Important!


Her smile fades. “He died.”

 

The Doctor swallows, but the sudden sharpness in his throat stays. “Yes.”

 

“You wanted to save him.”

 

“Yes.”

 

“Because you thought he could save you.” She smiles again, and he feels it like a knife blade. “You killed them all. All of them except him.” She touches his face. “Doctor, nobody wants to be alone.”

 

He looks to the grey sky above, breathes deeply and tastes salt. “Except hermits.”

 

*I heard somewhere that David Tennant claims the “Hermits United” bit as his favorite line from series three. I kinda love it too.

 

“Yes,” she agrees, her voice warm. “Except hermits.” She rests her head against his shoulder, her cheek over his left (human) heart, and his hands settle at her waist. For a moment, it is almost as if they are dancing. “Tell me a story,” she says, and he closes his eyes.

 

“Once upon a time,” he says, because that is how you begin, “there was a girl.”

 

“Ooh,” she murmurs into his chest, “good start.”

 

He pinches her side and she laughs. “A very cheeky, very annoying girl. She had a very loud, very annoying mum, a very dull job in a shop, and an idiot boyfriend.”

 

“But then one day, something wonderful happened.”

 

He pinches her again. “Excuse me, who’s telling this story?” 

 

She hides her grin against his suit coat. “You, sir. Sorry, sir. Won’t happen again, sir.”

 

*An echo of Brother of Mine's speech patterns from Family of Blood.

 

“I should hope not.” With great dignity, he continues. “Then one day, something wonderful happened. Actually, a lot of wonderful things happened – and lot of terrible things, and a lot of things that are probably best described as being somewhere in between – and soon the girl was lost deep in the dark of the forest, far from the path. Far from home.”

 

*As in most fairy tales, Rose’s story started when she left the path. The quest, the journey, the adventure – these things happen when you leave home behind and lose yourself in the woods. Which is a very dangerous thing to do, as Charles Perrault’s Little Red Chaperon learned the hard way.

 

Rose sighs. “And she loved it.”

 

*But then, Rose Tyler always did like her danger.

 

(I should write a fic in which Rose and the Doctor go back to 17th century France and Rose kicks good ol’ Chuck in the nuts.)

 

He rests his chin on the top of her head. “Yes,” he says, his voice thick. “Yes, she did.” He grins, for a moment fiercely happy. “She ran to the stars, a lost little girl, and she did wondrous, horrible things – saved worlds and ended wars and completely massacred my second-best toaster—”

 

She punches him in the arm. “Oi! I’m not the one who—”

 

“—and she was nearly lost for good a hundred thousand different times, in a hundred thousand dark places, but, in the end, she survived.” His grip on her waist tightens. “That’s the part of the story you must remember. Because she does. She survives.”

 

“Does she?” Rose muses. “Sometimes I wonder.”

 

*You should be wondering too, by the way.

 

She hums softly under her breath. It is a tune he does not recognise, and it makes him cold. “You want to know what happened that day. What he did to me.”  

 

She says it so simply, and he cannot breathe. “Yes.”

 

Rose pulls away, hands on his chest, and looks into his eyes. “You can’t. Not ever.”           

 

“I could go back,” the Doctor says, and it sounds like a threat. Like the madness it is. “Easiest thing in the world – just a matter of setting the coordinates. Manhattan, 17th August, 2007. I could follow you into that shop, Rose, and I could stop him.”

 

Her jaw tightens. “You wouldn’t.”

 

“I would.” He smiles, showing teeth, and it feels as if something inside him is breaking. “There’s no one left to stop me.”

 

*Donna Noble, please get your ass back in that TARDIS before he destroys the universe. Also, another Creepy Dream Smile, courtesy of the Doctor.

 

For a moment, her expression (the hard twist of her mouth, the dip of her too-dark eyebrows) is a foreign, unreadable thing to him, needing translation. Then, like a slap to the face, he understands – she is furious. So much time spent grieving her loss, and in that time he forgot she ever looked at him with anything but a smile in her eyes.

 

Then the anger is gone, evaporated, and in its place waits a feral, affectionate grin. “No one?” she repeats, voice sweetly mocking. She begins to laugh, and it sounds like the sea. “Oh, Doctor,” she says, golden and fierce. “You’d be surprised.”

 

*Ding! 

 

She skips away from him then, feet bare against grey cement, stopping at the brick barrier between the roof of the Powell Estate and the deadly drop to the city streets below. Behind her, early 21st century London gleams under a blue sky. The house by the sea is gone, but he can still hear the waves against the shore.

 

*Abrupt scene change!

 

“Tell me a story,” she calls to him, tongue curling over her teeth. “Tell me how you save the little lost girl this time, Doctor. Do you want to be her noble huntsman? Her humble woodcutter, who just happens to be strolling by with a nice, sharp axe?” Her head tips to one side, her smile wry. “Her knight on a white horse?”

 

*Yeah, ‘cause that worked so well for him before.

 

The Doctor follows her, but she dances out of his reach, still smiling. He lets his empty hands drop to his sides. “That’s enough, Rose.”

 

“Oh no, sir. Not nearly, sir, not nearly enough. You, sir,” she says, poking him hard in the chest, “have forgotten the story.” 

 

He knocks her hand away. “It’s not a story,” he bites out, and she giggles, wisps of her hair blowing into his face.

 

“To you, that’s all it is. All it’ll ever be. Because you’ve forgotten.”

 

*But what did he forget, Rose?

 

She leans into him, as if to whisper a precious secret in his ear. “Bottles and eggs, the moon and the sea – all nonsense, pretty as it is.

 

*It’s not the trappings of the dream that matters.

 

They’re just words, and you’ll forget them, but listen, listen: one for sorrow, two for joy. Three for a girl, four for a boy.” She presses her lips to his cheek, her mouth chaste and sweet and burning cold. “Hidden in rhymes and riddles, it waits.”

 

*But what waits, Rose?

 

She steps back, smiling. “You won’t see it coming.”

 

*Could you vague that up for me a bit?

 

He takes her by the shoulders, holds her still and looks into her unfathomable eyes. His fingers bruise. “What is it, Rose? What won’t I see?”

 

She looks back at him, serene. “Once upon a time, there was a girl, and she was lost. A man found her. His hands were cold. He laughed, and she wept.”

 

*headdesk*

 

He closes his eyes, but her pale face follows him, burning against the darkness of his eyelids. “Rose,” he says, and it feels like prayer.

 

“But you’ve forgotten what comes next. You always do.” She brushes her fingers over his brow, a benediction. “When,” she says softly, “is a lost girl not a lost girl?”

 

She waits, and he opens his eyes. “Tell me.”

 

 “Well, when she’s a wolf, of course.” Then she grins, and he sees the sun.

 

*OH. That old chestnut. That chestnut with sharp, pointy teeth that hides and waits and that he won’t ever see coming.

 

She laughs, blue jumper and golden hair and dark, dark eyes, and the sky beyond her is in flame. The city of London burns

 

*Why not? It’s the end of the world.

 

and Rose spins out of his reach, jumping up onto the ledge of the building. She balances there for a heart stopping moment, her hair aglow in the citylight and floating around her face like a halo. “Good night, Doctor,” she says.

 

*And we have a title. Also a Beatles song, of which I am quite fond.

 

“Sleep tight.” And then she falls.

 

*Splat.

 

The Doctor stands, unmoving. Barely breathing. “Oh,” he says faintly. “I’m dreaming.”

 

A hand claps him hard on the back. “By Jove, I think he’s got it!” The Master’s grinning face pops into view, and the Doctor stumbles backward. “Finally. Do you have any idea how unbearably dull it is in here? Well, you probably do, it being your brain and all, but really. I was about to do something desperate, like crash the weekly UNIT Scrabble tournament

 

*You know, you just know that there is a weekly UNIT Scrabble tournament in the Doctor’s head, and that the Brig gets very cranky whenever he loses.

 

or help your Miss Jones wax her bikini line

 

*Martha, I am so, so sorry.

 

, but I’d much rather gal pal around with you.” The Master sits on the roof ledge and peers down the sheer face of the Powell Estate. “Oh, ew,” he says, grimacing with delight. “There’s blonde all over the pavement. And no one’s even bothering to clean it up. Just disgusting the way these people live, isn’t it?” 

 

The Doctor swallows, hard. “Master.”

 

“But did you see that exit? The girl’s got flare, I’ll give her that. Though,” the Master pauses, frowning, “it does seem as if that nasty god complex of yours is catching.

 

*No kidding. On the previous page, her name was like “prayer”, her touch a “benediction”, and her hair a “halo”. Two can play at this game, Russell my friend.

 

The phony omniscience and all that glowing just before she went splat – I can only imagine she caught that little eccentricity from you.” He places a hand over his right heart, his expression pained. “You know, I’m more than a bit concerned for my own mental well-being.”

 

*Ha.

 

“You’re already psychotic,” the Doctor points out. “How much worse could it get?”

 

The Master sighs. “Oh, sure. Kick a man when he’s dead.”

 

“Down.”

 

“What?”

 

“Kick a man when he’s down.”

 

“Right.” The Master grins. “That too.”

 

The Doctor’s fingers curl into fists. “Why are you here?”

 

“Well,” the Master says, tapping out a jaunty rhythm against his kneecaps, “I came for the brutal psychological torture, but I stayed for the late nights spent talking about everything and nothing, the Sundays in the park, that naughty thing you do with the pencil when you’re working on a crossword—”

 

*Something involving his tongue, no doubt.

 

“If I ever bothered with a crossword, I’d do it in ink.”

 

The Master winks. “Of course you would, pookie.” Then he stands and gives the Doctor a brilliant, shit-eating grin. “I’m here, old friend, because you want me here.” He turns to look out over the holocaust consuming the city, a dark figure silhouetted by flame. “I could burn every sky on every world you’ve ever seen, and you would still want me here. I could make her weep blood, and you would embrace me like a brother.” The Master slips behind him, standing at his shoulder, mouth at his ear. “Now, I’m certainly no expert, but tell me, Doctor, tell me true: is that good? Is that right?”

 

The Doctor closes his eyes, shaking. It is all he can do not to recoil. “We’re all that’s left.”

 

The Master laughs, the sound of waves against sand. “Oh no,” he says. “Not anymore.” He rests his hands on the Doctor’s shoulders and whispers: “One for sorrow, two for joy. Three for a girl, four for a boy. Five for silver, six for gold—” The Master chuckles, low and wry. “And seven for a secret, never to be told.”

 

*Well, that was illuminating.


The Doctor opens his eyes, and together they watch as the world burns.

 

His old friend squeezes his shoulder, fingers like iron. “I’m here,” he says, and is gone.

 

++

 

The Doctor woke to an empty ship, the dream forgotten before he opened his eyes.

 

++

 

Worlds away, Jackie Tyler rests on tired knees before a child’s bed. “Sweetheart,” she says, brushing the fringe from her son’s eyes,

 

*An echo of the Martha’s treatment of the miniMaster from the beginning of the dream.

 

“it’s long past your bedtime.”

 

The boy wriggles impatiently beneath his blankets. “But she promised me a story. She did.”

 

*I don’t name him here, but this is Matthew Tyler. He’s the second brother I’ve written for Rose (no one but jlrpuck has met Reggie yet, but he’s a pip, as my mother would say) and I’ve grown very attached to him. I really like writing kids, as I find them far superior to adults in almost every way imaginable. “Gay and innocent and heartless”, as J.M. Barrie once wrote – and if he wrote it, it must be true.

 

Though I have yet to state it explicitly, Rose and the Doctor never advanced beyond the realm of friendship and lingering looks in this universe o’ mine. Thus, little Matt really is Rose’s brother. (Though I sort of hinted in the dream that this might not be the case, no doubt because I am a troublesome creature.)

 

Jackie sighs. “I know, love.” She straightens the sheets, looking to wrinkles and creases and not her young son’s face. “Rose wants to be here, she does, but she has responsibilities. Plenty of worries, our Rose.” A shadow passes over her face, and it is pushed aside as quickly as it had come. “Tomorrow night, love. She’ll be here tomorrow night.”

 

“She promised,” the boy mutters, even as his eyelids flutter closed.

 

“Good night, sleep tight,” Jackie says softly, reciting old, familiar words. “Wake up bright in the morning light—” She touches her lips to his forehead. “To do what’s right, with all your might.”  

 

*”But tell me, Doctor, tell me true: is that good? Is that right?”

 

She rises to her feet and steps back toward the open door.

 

“Thank you, Mum,” Rose says from the doorway, her voice low, almost unrecognizable. “I know you hate to lie to him.”

 

*”You’re lying.”

 

Jackie gives her eldest a hard look. “Yeah. I do.”

 

Rose turns away, her exhaustion written on her face in shadows. “I just…I couldn’t tonight. Tomorrow will be better.”

 

“I’m sure it will, sweetheart.” Jackie walks past her, standing in the dim light of the corridor. “I wish you’d tell me what’s wrong,” she says. “I wish you’d let me help.”

 

Rose gives a strange, strangled little laugh. “You do help, Mum. You really do. But I can’t—”

 

*I’m not going to say now what’s happening to Rose. But it’s not good, and I don’t think it’s giving much away to say that it’s about wolves and stories and what waits in the dark.

 

She pauses, and looks back to her brother’s dark bedroom. “You’ve forgotten the nightlights,” she says,

 

*“Can nothing harm us, Mother, after the nightlights are lit?”

“Nothing, precious. They are the eyes a mother leaves behind to guard her children.”

 

My one Peter Pan reference.

 

her face troubled, and slips into the room.

 

Jackie watches from the hall. “He’s not afraid of the dark, Rose.”

 

Rose turns the tiny knob under the lamp until her brother’s face glows warmly in its light. She smiles. “Lucky him.”

 

She presses her fingers to her lips (red nail varnish like blood against her too pale skin)

 


 

and, touching them to his cheek, wishes her baby brother a dreamless sleep.

 

++

 

And in the darkness, the wolf waits.

 

Thanks for reading!

[identity profile] grimorie.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 11:10 am (UTC)(link)
Holy mother of pearl. Your mind is a shiny, scary, fascinating place to be. I loved every single moment and explanation.

I love ambiguous, dangerous Bad Wolf!Rose, loved the Doctor's twisty mind, loved that it gets acknowledged that his forgiving the Master may not be right and haunting him. Also I love your Alice and Peter Pan references and... seriously, you brain = shiny.

[identity profile] rosa-acicularis.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 12:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Your mind is a shiny, scary, fascinating place to be.

Why, thank you! I've grown quite fond of it.

Thanks so much for reading! ;)

[identity profile] orange-crushed.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 12:10 pm (UTC)(link)
OH NO YOU DIDN'T

OH NO YOU DIDN'T

I followed the whole thing, the entire commentary and laughed at the right bits and ooh'd and ahh'd and nodded at what a sexist bitch Chuck P is and then THE RING AND ALL I COULD YELL IS OH NO YOU DIDN'T.

I'm excited.

Also: I have adopted it as my personal canon, and I call it Steve. Funny, that's what I call it ! ;) I almost called it Bruce, because of all the Monty Python sketches with the Bruces.... in fact, I want to call a lot of things Bruce because of that. G'day, Bruce !

[identity profile] rosa-acicularis.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 12:17 pm (UTC)(link)
NO! Now I will have the Bruce Philosophy Song stuck in my head for the rest of the day. "Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable..."

ARGH. You did this on purpose, didn't you?

OH NO YOU DIDN'T

Oh, I totally did. ;)

A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed.

[identity profile] orange-crushed.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 12:36 pm (UTC)(link)
....Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar, who could think you under the table...

It goes on.

Anyway, no, not on purpose, just a happy accident, a meeting of the minds if you will. ;)

[identity profile] jlrpuck.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 12:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Forced to listen to Il Divo records?

The horror! The horror!

*It killed me to write that part. It really, really did.

I'd like to thank you for ripping my heart out every fracking time I read that. You're such a swell friend, Rose.... ;)

*Nail varnish is Very Important!

Well, duh. ;)

*An echo of Brother of Mine's speech patterns from Family of Blood.

Understanding that I unreservedly love everything you've ever written (in this context, in fanfiction)...this is the thing I most loathed in this entire story. The corruption of Rose by the Family. HATED IT. But it was brilliant.

Two can play at this game, Russell my friend.

Oooh, now there's something I'd pay to see. A symbolism face-off between you and Rusty. *hunts for popcorn*

*I’m not going to say now what’s happening to Rose. But it’s not good, and I don’t think it’s giving much away to say that it’s about wolves and stories and what waits in the dark.

You are *such* an unrepentant tease.

Awesome, awesome, awesome. Thanks so much, Rose, for posting this!

[identity profile] rosa-acicularis.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 12:40 pm (UTC)(link)
You're such a swell friend, Rose....

Aw, shucks. Well, you know, I try.

Wait just a goshdarn second...was that sarcasm? Are you using sarcasm on me at 4:30 in the morning? (My time. Which begs the question - now that I've finished my thesis, why am I staying up all night when I have work in three hours, hmm?)

this is the thing I most loathed in this entire story. The corruption of Rose by the Family. HATED IT.

Ooh, really? That's fantastic! The Family were some of the most destructive villains we've seen in New Who, and I just wanted to add a little something to make Rose seem more threatening, less herself. I have to admit, I kinda love that you hated it so much.

But then, I am obviously rather odd. ;)

*hunts for popcorn*

Oh no, missy. If I'm going to duel the man, you've got to be my second. (Who would Rusty choose? Moffat? Julie Gardner?) You get to carry the proverbial pistols and the sword similes.

You are *such* an unrepentant tease.

Who, me?

*doe eyes*

So much more than the sum of its parts

[identity profile] astitchintime-9.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 01:36 pm (UTC)(link)
*No kidding. On the previous page, her name was like “prayer”, her touch a “benediction”, and her hair a “halo”. Two can play at this game, Russell my friend.


If the game is Allegorical Twister, then by my count, you are winning!


The Three Roses of the Doctor's fears are all so sad -- and every time you describe his ear against the door or wall I flash back to Doomsday, as, I expect, does the Doctor.
(One question: Originally, I thought that Rose's "I'll Kill you" rant was directed at the Master/her torturer, but from your commentary I got the impression that her vows of revenge were directed toward the Doctor. Can you clarify which you meant? Thanks!)

She hums softly under her breath. It is a tune he does not recognise, and it makes him cold.


Do we know it?

“By Jove, I think he’s got it!”


And there it is again! So, is it, ahem, fair to say that I'm not the only one stuck on certain musical references...?

The pic of the Master's ring now scares the bejeezus out of me, puzzling out where you might be going with it in your next fic(s) -- but I am looking forward to all future installments of this series. Eagerly.

(Wow, I hadn't realized what I was getting into when first I favorited "But Broken Lights"!)

Rose, you are extraordinary! Myths, fairy tales, children's stories, childhood, musical theatre, psychology, classical literature, Doctor Who and so much more.

Thank you so much for sharing!

Re: So much more than the sum of its parts

[identity profile] rosa-acicularis.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
(One question: Originally, I thought that Rose's "I'll Kill you" rant was directed at the Master/her torturer, but from your commentary I got the impression that her vows of revenge were directed toward the Doctor. Can you clarify which you meant? Thanks!)

I certainly intended for it to be the Master, but oooh. I'm a fan of any moment that blurs the line between the Master and the Doctor, those two different sides of the same Time Lord coin, as they are often described.

But yes. I still meant the Master, but I see how the 'violent revenge' bit could have been misleading in that respect. I simply meant that even that Rose isn't quite as she should be - the anger is right, but there's something bloodthirsty about her wish for the Master's death that doesn't jive with the truth.

Do we know it?

You know, I'm not sure. Perhaps we'll see later...

So, is it, ahem, fair to say that I'm not the only one stuck on certain musical references...?

As fair as it is to say that the rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain. ;)

Thanks so much for reading, and for your wonderful comments!

[identity profile] leighleighla.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 03:36 pm (UTC)(link)
When I first read the story, I was waiting for a ride to pick me up, and so I was in quite a rush to read the whole thing.

I LOVE stories like these. I've written a few for other fandoms, and they're terrifying and wonderful. The whole thing just smacked of little lost Alice in Wonderland, and putting the Doctor in that roll is brilliant and scary. We never expect to see him without the answers, and for him to go through that dream and be so lost is amazing.

As I said, I read this story on the fly, and therefore didn't have time to let it sink in; to really think about it.

And then I went back today and read it.

And I just thought "Holy fuck."

Between the Master and the Wolf and the red nail polish, seriously, holy fuck. I can't wait to see what you've got in store for us next.

[identity profile] kudzita.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 04:02 pm (UTC)(link)
“I can help you,” this new Rose continues, begging, and he has never heard her like this. “The Doctor – he trusts me. Cares about me. I can hurt him. That’s what you want, isn’t it? Him, not me.” She sobs, undone. “Please.”

*It killed me to write that part. It really, really did.


Have you ever read The Amber Spyglass? There's a part a lot like this - I wish I had the book here, but it involves Will feeling as though he'd said 'no, I'm afraid, kill my mother instead, I don't care about her' and she had heard him say it and volunteered to be killed instead anyway because she loved him. "There was no worse way to feel." And I got to the part I quoted and just had to jump down and comment on that.

[identity profile] rosa-acicularis.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, I haven't read Amber Spyglass - I never got past The Subtle Knife. (MiniMe was v. impatient with Philip Pullman's narrative style.)

But this moment seems like a very good reason to pick the books up again. Even just the bit you describe is like a punch to the gut. So, of course, I want to read it immediately. ;)

Well, I am off to the library today, so I shall add it to my list!

[identity profile] kudzita.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I just read the trilogy over winter break myself, and I thought the last one was muchmuchmuch the best of the three. It's full of punches to the gut.

Also, dear lord, woman. Do you never sleep?

[identity profile] rosa-acicularis.livejournal.com 2008-01-31 07:59 am (UTC)(link)
Do you never sleep?

Nope!

*grins, complete with crazy eyes*

[identity profile] kudzita.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
And now that I've finished, the one thing I have to add is this: every time you find yourself thinking "I should write a fic," the immediate response is "Yes. Yes, you should."

Even if it doesn't involve kicking ol’ Chuck in the nuts.

A crack translation awaits your command, o Thesisata. (And yes, I know that'd be a perfect passive participle and it would work better as a perfect active participle [having thesised as opposed to having been thesised] but then it'd have to be Greek. Thesisuia? And that sounds a bit odd.)

[identity profile] heavenstruezest.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Damn, you're good. You must have been planning this fic forever. I'm ashamed to say I noticed barely any of this stuff before.

One thing I'm curious about:
Rose and the Doctor never advanced beyond the realm of friendship and lingering looks in this universe o’ mine.

So does this line from DIT, DIF -
“Dear though he may be, the Doctor has never been in here, has he?
- also refer to a sexual relationship? Because I can imagine the Master using that to taunt the Doctor, if he knew about it. And >shivers< if that metaphor is right, it leads on to the idea that he probably did intend to rape Rose, if she hadn't spectacularly kicked his ass.

This series has made me have rather violent thoughts about him. See what you did to me?

Ooh, and the ring! The ring! But I think most people have already done this bit, so my own incoherent splutterings are not needed.

[identity profile] rosa-acicularis.livejournal.com 2008-01-31 08:20 am (UTC)(link)
I'm ashamed to say I noticed barely any of this stuff before.

Oh, don't be. Some of it's pretty freakin' obscure. ;)

So does this line from DIT, DIF -
“Dear though he may be, the Doctor has never been in here, has he?"
- also refer to a sexual relationship?


That's very much what I was thinking when I wrote it, yes. The Master (as I write him) has a sort of fixation on sex as a corrupting, degrading force. The Doctor and Rose were so giddy and innocent in their affection for each other, and this particular series assumes that their relationship never got a chance to evolve beyond that.

The Master sees happy and pure and thinks, "What fun toys the universe has given me to smash and ruin!" So he is continually throwing the sex-as-ruination thing in her face. He calls her a whore a lot.

This series has made me have rather violent thoughts about him. See what you did to me?

This is why we should get a posse together and take him out.

Also, I just sort of want a posse. ;)
Edited 2008-01-31 09:52 (UTC)

[identity profile] salienne.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
O_O

I totally never made the red nails connection! Or the "right" connection! Or this connection:

“But did you see that exit? The girl’s got flare, I’ll give her that. Though,” the Master pauses, frowning, “it does seem as if that nasty god complex of yours is catching.

*No kidding. On the previous page, her name was like “prayer”, her touch a “benediction”, and her hair a “halo”. Two can play at this game, Russell my friend.


*Flips out a lot* That was amazing, and insightful, and so well thought-out, and amazing, and did I mention amazing? Seriously, your creativity and the amount of intent just burning away in this fic...

Only one way to end this comment, really. To quote the Doctor:

Just stand there, 'cause I'm gonna hug you. Is that all right? Here we go. Coming in. *HUG* Ahh, human beings, you are amazing!

But apart from that, you're completely mad.


Unlike the Doctor, however, I mean that last bit in the absolute best of ways. :D

...And I may have to print out this commentary and the fic. And analyze the commentary. And squee.

And this was so worth not doing homework and reading really bad essays on "light" writing. :D

[identity profile] rosa-acicularis.livejournal.com 2008-01-31 08:22 am (UTC)(link)
Yay hugs!

And good luck with that "light" writing thing. I really have no idea what that's about.

Thanks so much for all your comments. You're awesome.

[identity profile] clinicallybored.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, nothing I could say would express what I think about your story. I could write essays upon it. Instead I'll just say that I trembled at the dark parts and cried at the funny moments and I really couldn't tell you why.

I love that you wrote this commentary because there were a lot of things that I assumed were references to things that I couldn't place.

[identity profile] rosa-acicularis.livejournal.com 2008-01-31 08:25 am (UTC)(link)
Instead I'll just say that I trembled at the dark parts and cried at the funny moments and I really couldn't tell you why.

Oh. I'm so, so glad you enjoyed it. Or...that it made you sort of miserable, but in a good way? ;) Nevertheless -

Thank you for reading!

[identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com 2008-01-31 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
"The idea that she might have had sex with the Master and enjoyed it and that to Doctor this is a betrayal beyond offering to harm him to save herself – it’s a very ugly thing to suggest. But once I wrote it I couldn’t make myself unwrite it, so here it stays."

Well, of course, the reason why you couldn't unwrite this is because it's so very, very, scarily true. The Doctor understands all about doing horrible things to one thing in order to save another. Sacrificing him to save herself? He could wrap his mind around that; it's a matter of weighing two options and choosing the one that means the most to you--destroying your planet or saving the rest of the universe. But betraying him merely for *pleasure*? (And whether they're lovers or friends, enjoying sex with his great enemy has got to be a betrayal.) Oh, yes, that would hurt him most of all.

You know, you said in your meme how you don't do Doctor's POV very much. But I love your Doctor. Fiercely.

[identity profile] rosa-acicularis.livejournal.com 2008-01-31 08:32 am (UTC)(link)
But betraying him merely for *pleasure*? (And whether they're lovers or friends, enjoying sex with his great enemy has got to be a betrayal.) Oh, yes, that would hurt him most of all.

Oh, thank goodness. This is excellently put, and makes me feel considerably better about the mostly instinctual decision to leave that bit in. Because it makes sense, and it sounds like him - noble and rational and deeply vulnerable all at once. You win at explaining myself to me.

But I love your Doctor. Fiercely.

Thank you so much. That makes me very, very happy. ;)

[identity profile] earlgreytea68.livejournal.com 2008-02-01 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
Noble and rational and deeply vulnerable! Yes! Because you've got to be all three of those things to think to yourself, "If she had a choice--save herself or save me--yes, of course she'd save herself." And it also take all three to think to yourself, "Why would she hurt me for something as valueless as *pleasure*?"

[identity profile] kb91.livejournal.com 2008-01-31 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
You know, you are a victim of your own success with this commentary. I kept thinking, as I reached the end of each post, that I most definitely should write feedback for each and every one, yet there was no way I could make myself stop long enough to do so, knowing there were 3-2-1 more posts to read. And so you only get feedback after the final one. Completely your own fault, no question.

Of course, now that I'm here, I can't think of anything to write that would be nearly as breathtaking and insightful as what you have provided for us. Because ... damn, girlfriend! (Or ... dude?) I am once again in awe of both your plotting and writing ability, not to mention your literary-analysis ability. And I am completed freaked out over the little bombshell you dropped at the end, with the photo. Nooooooo!

So yeah, just drop everything and write the next story, 'kay? Because I think waiting any longer to find out what happens next might just kill me. And you really don't want that on your conscience.

(Though, if you're taking requests, I really do hope that Bad Wolf eventually resurfaces in this story to kick the Master's ass from here to the end of the universe, for good this time. She is woman, hear her roar. Or howl. Fiercely.)

[identity profile] rosa-acicularis.livejournal.com 2008-02-01 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
Such prettiness! Thank you!

;)

(Anonymous) 2008-02-01 02:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Oy. I seriously need a live journal account so I can reply to you properly, but holy expletive! I read through your amazing story about four times, just soaking up its brilliance and forming my own theories that you so graciously debunked (and I'm so glad, because the Doc has enough to feel guilty about). I would just like you to know, that your work is doing cray things to my subconscious: I never paint my nails, and in the last week, I've done it twice. So, tell me true: Are you in league with an evil ring of cosmetic companies? I swear I kept repeating "Nail varnish is very important" as I did my nails. (And now that I think about it, I did just paint my nails mauve... Conspiracy!)

[identity profile] tardis-stowaway.livejournal.com 2008-02-01 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
*I’m not going to say now what’s happening to Rose. But it’s not good, and I don’t think it’s giving much away to say that it’s about wolves and stories and what waits in the dark.

There's this line that my father used to quote: "ambiguity--the Devil's volleyball." Between this and the red nails photo (!!!!!!*incoherent waving of hands*!!!!!), you, my dear, are clearly the setter on Lucifer's team.

(I should write a fic in which Rose and the Doctor go back to 17th century France and Rose kicks good ol’ Chuck in the nuts.)
*kick* "And that one's for the wolves!"

[identity profile] rosa-acicularis.livejournal.com 2008-02-02 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
you, my dear, are clearly the setter on Lucifer's team.

Hee. I play for Team Evil.

Thanks for reading. ;)

[identity profile] vega-ofthe-lyre.livejournal.com 2008-02-04 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh. Oh, wow. I did not pick up on that ending AT ALL when I read it through the first time. This was a lovely commentary--funny and illuminating-- and it was nice and a little disturbing to play around in your mind for a bit :). REALLY looking forward to the rest of this series.

[identity profile] lalaithlockhart.livejournal.com 2008-02-05 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
*He was less than a block away when whatever happened, happened. Tinkering in the TARDIS, while Rose was…what? Raped? Tortured? Forced to listen to Il Divo records? He couldn’t see what was happening then, and now the corridor is dark. He couldn’t reach her then, and now the doors are locked.

Gack. You *kill* me.

[identity profile] lalaithlockhart.livejournal.com 2008-02-05 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Um. Do you mind if I add your journal to my flist? I refuse not to be updated immediately with further developments.

[identity profile] rosa-acicularis.livejournal.com 2008-02-05 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Friends are lovely! Add away.
;)

[identity profile] fid-gin.livejournal.com 2008-02-06 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, do you want to know how silly and weird I am? I read this fic when you first posted it a bit back, and then promptly shoved it out of my memory because...it scared me. There! I admit it! It scared the freakin' crap out of me honestly...creepy dream stuff always does (probably because I have long been a victim of VERY vivid and often VERY disturbing dreams). But it is a wonderful fic, and I feel better about it after reading your amazing commentary, although I'm quite nervous where this story is going to go now. But I do love commentaries, and this was a humdinger.

Oh, and I'm, uh...going to friend you? If that's okay?

[identity profile] rosa-acicularis.livejournal.com 2008-02-06 06:02 am (UTC)(link)
Friending is excellent and encouraged.

And if it's all right, I shall friend you in return, for - as I may have previously expressed - I think your stuff's simply splendid.

I'm quite nervous where this story is going to go now.

Oh, you and me both...
;)

[identity profile] clarice-cat.livejournal.com 2008-02-14 06:55 am (UTC)(link)
... I heart you. Like, for cereal, you are the shiz. I bow to your amazingness. The pic at the end? Yeah, that's happiness, and I'm dying to see what comes next. :)

More on Good Night

[identity profile] tzikeh.livejournal.com 2008-03-17 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm quite late to commenting here, because I am a fool and don't follow this lj regularly. (I will remedy that.) I've read through all of your commentary, and all of the comments, and I have a few things to add that haven't been said (unless I missed them) that you may or may not have been aware of as you wrote. So often things we're not even thinking of sneak in to our creative works under our own noses.

Five for silver, six for gold re: Martha and Rose

Are you familiar with the song "Make new Friends"?

"Make new friends, but keep the old
One is silver and the other gold."

***

The Doctor reaches for Rose, but he is alone in a dim corridor. A nearby grandfather clock continues its gentle ticking ...

and

"Maybe it was tired of smelling like clocks."

Smell is the sense most closely linked with memory. Scents send our mind back in time almost immediately, much faster than seeing or hearing something.

The Master's TARDIS was often disguised as a grandfather clock.

***

*But it’s too late for the Doctor – he’s already had his drink.

In the distance, waves beat against the shore. The ocean swells.

The ocean is often referred to as "the drink". And Instead of the Doctor having the drink, the drink has the Doctor. And it makes him so, so small.

***

When they became men, they left their homes and their families, striking out – one to the east, the other to the west – to find their fortunes.

Are you familiar with the fairy tale East of the Sun and West of the Moon?

***

The girl’s got flare, I’ll give her that.

Just an "oops"? Freudian keying? Or a deliberate misspelling to bring us back to the sun.
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[identity profile] kittenmommy.livejournal.com 2008-08-19 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
When I read the actual fic over on Teaspoon, I figured that Matthew was the Master reincarnated (not by Time Lord technology... I was thinking literal reincarnation). So, it seems I was somewhat right...

I don't know why, but this fic really reminded me of Tony Soprano's dream sequences when he was in a medically-induced coma in Join The Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Join_the_Club) and Mayhem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayham_(The_Sopranos_episode)). Weird, I know, because they're totally different characters and they have totally different dream sequences. But I think they have a similar uneasy feel to them, a similar sense of foreboding. You know that this just can't end well... but then they wake up.

Depending on what you believe about the last Sopranos episode, things didn't end well for Tony. And it looks like things aren't going to end well here, either.

I look forward to reading the next installment of Of Monsters.... I have a feeling that it's going to take us to some really dark places.

And I can't wait for the ride to begin! ;)

[identity profile] tricksterquinn.livejournal.com 2009-02-14 04:34 am (UTC)(link)
You know, tattered wallpaper will always make me think of The Yellow Wallpaper (possibly followed by Blink).

Oh, Doctor. He's such a mess. This is all so, so fucked up, and so, so believable.

*When is a bottle not a bottle, an egg not an egg, and a girl not a girl?
God. Your answer to that from earlier is so very good and applicable and I hadn't seen it till now. When they're broken. When they're vessels.

Her fingernails and toenails match!

Hee! The "Sorry, sir" may be from Family of Blood but it made me think of Jack in Boom Town.

“There’s no one left to stop me.”
So, so fucked up.

Could you vague that up for me a bit?
*dies laughing* PRETTY MUCH.

I love the way you write the Master. It suits him so very well. Disturbingly likeable, for a crazy psychotic evil dude.

“Gay and innocent and heartless”
Ooh, I *like* that. And it certainly applies to the Toclofane, too.

I loved the touch about her nails - subtle but not too subtle to notice (or at least I went there right away). And a contrast from her yellow ones throughout this fic otherwise.

This is absolutely my favorite sort of story - deep and dark and sharp, and so full of capital-S Story that I get all incoherent and flaily.

[identity profile] rosa-acicularis.livejournal.com 2009-02-14 06:01 am (UTC)(link)
Dude! Thank you so much for all your awesome feedback. It means a lot, particularly given how much I've been struggling with the current installment of this series. Worry not; it has not been abandoned. It has only been busy kicking my ass.

Thanks for reading!

[identity profile] tricksterquinn.livejournal.com 2009-02-24 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I thought I already replied to this.

If you ever need audiencing, cheerleading, nagging, or distracting, you should drop me a line or ping me (my username is the same across the board - AIM, gmail, etc) - I'd be happy to help! Your stuff is fantastic and you seem like great fun.